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The former head of the State Information Service (SHISH), Fatos Klosi, has scanned Ilir Meta's profile as a politician all these years.
Mr. Klosi was one of the founders of the former LSI and knows Meta well. In an interview for "Dritare.Tv", he said that he now sees a transformed Ilir Meta. In this situation, he recounted the story of the former president with Dritan Prifti and the day he made him leave LSI. He also commented on the alliance with Sali Berisha, as well as talking about the accusations against him recently that he was an associate of the former State Security.
-Mr. Klosi, you were one of the founders of LSI, you were together with Ilir Meta in the group and left when Meta joined Sali Berisha in 2009. Now we see an Ilir Meta who is not what he probably was and then, what do you think?
For me it is completely different, of course, it has not been in these positions that I see every night on television. Why is he spending so much in a period when he has all the cards, the Prosecutor's Office is dealing with him. He started to give signs since he was in the Presidency, he held a rally in the middle of the boulevard called '2 Marsi', where he had taken several public figures. A president doesn't do those things. Now the situation is even more serious, where apparently there are problems with the Prosecutor's Office.
- Was there an Ilir Meta who was more rational, more accurate, a man who appeared less in the media making these gestures, sometimes as an actor and sometimes as a basketball star?
He was a weightlifter, a heavy sport. I had him as my direct boss when he was prime minister, I was the head of the Intelligence Service and I communicated with him as my main task was to maintain relations with the government. In that period, he was really serious, he took that task seriously and I say that he did it despite the fact that the situation within the Socialist Party in that period was quite difficult. He was replaced by Majko who became prime minister for the second time. He was serious, if Iliri gave you a task, he didn't forget to hold you accountable, ask for clarifications, which for me was an important thing, something others had done before.
-In his time, there were leaps in people's careers, nepotistic appointments, of friends and colleagues. Who was the first to introduce this theory in his time?
Even today there are such things, we suddenly see people in important positions in the government that we have never seen before, people who came from abroad.
-What about his anti-American language?
It relates to today's situation. The Americans created the reform in justice that he was against from the beginning, they approved and strongly support the Special Prosecutor's Office and the Judiciary. He feels that he has it with them too. The reform in Justice is more supported by our partners and it seems rational to me since the internationals want a serious partner. Albania, with this level of corruption, must be changed to be a serious partner, so the American support to Albania is serious and is not being done for a show, while here inside it is a show where sometimes they support it and sometimes they don't.
- Berisha has a 'non-women' label from the Americans and never mentions the Americans but says Rama did it to me, while Meta mentions them and says they don't care what the Americans do to me, I don't know how well this will work for them?
Meta knows more than we do about his relationship with the Americans. We guess a lot of things, we do the commentary and everyone guesses more, while Meta knows exactly what his relations with the Americans are. So Meta should be listened to.
- What about the relationship between Ilir Meta and Sali Berisha?
It is a very old story, despite the fact that we have known about it, I know at least since 1997 that Meta has been kind to Berisha and has helped him with information about PS.
- The mistake is also the man who put Berisha in prison, arrested him for 4 hours...
She was nothing, we can agree on that ourselves. They did not agree because it seemed that Berisha went crazy and got scared, according to the policemen of the Directorate of Tirana, but 97 is the indicator. But that is not the indication. Meta has admitted several times that he has appreciated Berisha as a great politician. For me, Berisha has a very big fault, he introduced this spirit of great conflict into Albanian politics, when he came, the retaliation began, not only for the communists of the previous regime but also for his opponents, the people of the SP. He put the head of the SP in prison for years. Meta said that I respected Berisha as a politician, he is a man who keeps his word.
- Do we have a relationship between Berisha and Meta, a relationship of partners or a relationship of mutual dependence?
No, they are not in a pro-subordination relationship, today they are partners without question. It is Meta who has agreed to vote in his party for Berisha in the coalition. Meta has helped him, it is not that they are subordinate and superior, but they are partners today despite the fact that PD is bigger and has more voters. Meta has always tried to take advantage of this situation. Meta has said that I will try to become the leader of the Albanian Opposition.
- Do you think that SPAK has anything to do with Meta's activity?
-Historia me Dritanin ka qenë e dhimbshme për ne që i njihnim dhe i kishim të dy në LSI. Në zgjedhjet e 2009-ës partia jonë mori 4 deputetë dhe nuk merrte më shumë. Qe një përpjekje për të ofruar biznesmenë në parti të cilët do të investonin, u krijua që përpara zgjedhjeve një situatë që për disa prej nesh ishte e papëlqyeshme. Ne ishim ndarë nga PS asokohe me idenë që PS po bënte kompromise me Berishën. Dhe nuk ishte më në pozitat e një partie të majtë, ndërkohë që nuk kaluan as 4 vjet dy zgjedhjeve, 2005 dhe 2009, situata po degradonte. Iliri na mashtroi të tërëve, i kërkuam llogari kur Dritan Prifti bëri një deklaratë që në fund të fundit unë kaloj dhe me Berishën. Dhe në mbledhje të Kryesisë u bë një mbledhje shumë serioze, Meta tha mos ia vini re tha se Dritani ka problemet e tij. Të nesërmen, dëgjojmë në media se ka një marrëveshje ku LSI-ja kaloi në koalicion me Berishën. Pas deklaratës që tha Dritan Prifti, të nesërmen pasi pamë koalicionin pa marrë asnjë vendim nga Kryesia kuptuam se ajo ishte parti e Metës, Kryemadhit e Priftit. U bë më pas një kongres që u miratua më pas, thash në mbledhje që mos e katandisni LSI-në SHPK me pak aksioner, ku kisha fjalën për Ilirin, të shoqen dhe Dritanin.
-E parë me syrin e sotëm, mendoni që ai koalicion ishte për të mirën e Shqipërisë pasi vendi duhej të shkonte në zgjedhje?
Vendi le të shkonte në zgjedhje, populli të lë të mendohesh. Nëse nuk bëhet dot një qeveri, le të bëheshin të tjera zgjedhje. Bëhen zgjedhje të reja në një kohë të shkurtër, jo se populli nuk ndryshon mendje, po populli do të mendojë në duhet t’jua japim njërit nga këto të palë që as njëra e as tjetra nuk po jep gjë, e lë të vendosi se kujt do t’jua japi. Kjo është ideja, ndërkohë që vendosi Iliri që do t’jua japim Berishës, nuk vendosi populli. Edhe përfitoi si parti, kjo ishte ideja. Nuk e kishim menduar si ide që do të përfitonte nga koalicioni me Berishën, ndaj u nda nga PS se nuk e mundte dot Berishën, e jo të ndihmonim Berishën për të qëndruar në pushtet. Është i hershëm bashkëpunimi i Ilirit me Berishën, tani doli hapur.
-Mendoni se Berisha do të rrijë akoma te Iliri dhe a ka Ilir Meta një parti të vetën, a i ka mbetur një bërthamë, ato 80-100 mijë vota që ka historikisht?
Unë nuk besoj, nuk e di kush mund t’i shkojë mbrapa. Meta në qoftë në qeveri me Berishën apo me Ramën, kishte 2-3 Ministri, kishte disa vende pune për të ofruar dhe kjo ishte ajo që Meta ofronte në tregun politik dhe atë të punës. Ndërsa sot nuk ka asnjë shans ku mediat po e thonë çdo ditë që ai nuk do të jetë i lirë por do jetë në punën e vetë. Nuk ofron gjë sot Meta. Nepotizmin e ka bërë ai me të shoqen. LSI-ja sot nuk është në një situatë të mirë, po tallen e qeshin me të. Më parë ishte serioz, i organizuar po ashtu dhe e shoqja, Ndërsa sot janë katandisur që po bëjnë çudira, kanë zgjedhur një metodë mbrojtje shumë absurde.
-Ka një akuzë për Ilir Metën që ka qenë bashkëpunëtor i Sigurimit të Shtetit?
I don't know, it seems more of a game than it is real. Insurance associate, I've been against using it as a term as it's a very heavy-handed thing. State security has been a part of the state. It was the party at the head of that state, it was the party that decided everything, that was the connection. It was the state that decided everything, the security of the state was the pinnacle of the dictatorship of the proletariat.
-Doubts arose at the moment when Meta was asked by the authority of the files to receive the certificate of purity and he did not receive it. How do you explain this?
Iliri has been a deputy since 1992, in 1995 there was a commission that dealt with the files. And that commission was created to completely obstruct important people of the Opposition, while Iliri was not obstructed. There was a Bezhani commission and he never told me this because he would have told me otherwise.
- Do you think Ilir Meta's candle oil as a politician has ended?
I don't know who would go after a man who pretends to be important tomorrow, you have to have a minimum of hope that he has something to say. But neither Berisha nor Meta and others have been in power for 32 years and if in 32 years I don't feel that Meta and Berisha have not left something, that they knew more things than the people, they would have done something. I don't really know they did anything. Here the power took them with them, they did not take the power, they did not lead the power. The government with the poverty that exists in Albania, with the classic problems that Albania has, these were dealt with on a daily basis. They routinely gave solutions to everyday problems and did not have any clear vision. That this country, which is poor, did not think about what to do, did not negotiate for the EU in all these years.
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