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Journalist Aulon Kalaja and former head of SHISH, Fatos Klosi, have fiercely debated Kosovo and the Balkan Mini-Schengen.
Kalaja said that there should be a discussion "about the people who have taken initiatives against Albania and Kosovo and the fact that no state has recognized Kosovo during the Rama government."
Debate:
Fatos Klosi: You're doing a little politics...
Aulon Castle: Why?
Fatos Klosi: Because you're mentioning Rama.
Aulon Kalaja: Isn't it a fact that no state has recognized Kosovo during the 12 years of Rama's government?
Fatos Klosi: What is Rama doing here? Why don't you say Kurti has the problem, but Rama?
Aulon Kalaja: Rama acted like the father of the Balkans. Edi Rama appointed Gent Caka as Foreign Minister from Kosovo, held joint government meetings, which were just make-up and produced nothing. If you are upset, I will withdraw because as soon as I mentioned Rama, you have a problem with this part. What is Rama's contribution to the Kosovo issue?
Fatos Klosi: We are not here for this work.
Aulon Kalaja: What lobbying has Rama done while there are countries that are derecognizing Kosovo?
Fatos Klosi: They are African countries, neither you nor I know them. We came here for another job.
Aulon Kalaja: Well, okay, I threw a thesis at you and you have no argument. You're being rhetorical now, telling me not to attack Rama.
Fatos Klosi: It's unreasonable, not that I have any concerns about Rama.
Aulon Kalaja: How is it unreasonable? I'm telling you a fact: no state has recognized Kosovo during the Rama government. I object and I withdraw. Do you have any comments on the Balkan Mini-Schengen?
Fatos Klosi: I did, I liked it.
Aulon Kalaja: This was a Belgrade initiative, if you want to know. If you like Belgrade initiatives…
Fatos Klosi: If they are positive initiatives, I agree.
Aulon Kalaja: What was the positive initiative without Kosovo, without Montenegro, without Bosnia and Herzegovina. What is this open Balkans without these states? So these are questions.
Fatos Klosi: Let me tell you, those countries didn't want it.
Kalaja: How come they didn't want to? Why didn't they want to?
Klosi: Yes, that's their business.
Kalaja: About Kosovo. Do you have information why the Kosovo factor did not want to participate? Do you have information? How does this not matter, the entire Kosovo factor is against it and you make an agreement with Serbia. What is this story? Now our policy with Serbia is determined by Kosovo, it is not determined by Edi Rama. He said I have a brother Vučić. Do you understand what story this is? Our policy with Serbia depends on how they behave with Kosovo. Do you agree with this or not?
Klosi: No, I'm not.
Kalaja: Okay. Then we'll go to Dushan Mugosha and Miladin Popovic. We'll go to the 41st.
Klosi: There's no point in debating you.
Kalaja: That's what you're telling me. So leave Kosovo aside and Edi Rama and Serbia out. I'm sorry now, what are we going out for tomorrow?
Klosi: I don't know what you're talking about.
Kalaja: I know, I'm coming out for Kosovo. So clearly. You're coming out for Serbia. I understand. I'm saying, I'm coming out for Kosovo.
Klosi: Ok. If you want, I'm talking about Serbia...
Kalaja: No, not with what you're telling me here at the table, what you're saying doesn't matter, Kosovo. Now I'm sorry, what's this?
Klosi: Look, we're wasting the show's time.
Kalaja: I gave you 3 theses, the fact that you can't contradict them... You're going to give out slogans now.
Klosi: Do you call this a slogan?
Kalaja: The slogan is that you have no argument.
Klosi: I wouldn't like something like that on your show, where two people clash for no reason.
Kalaja: So why did you interrupt me? Let me finish my argument and finish my work.
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